[0.0] Hello and welcome to the Thrive After 45 podcast where we redefine the significance of you for you by you because of you.
[13.0] My name is Denise Drinkwalter. I'm a midlife renewal coach here to help women embrace their power, purpose and potential.
[22.0] This show is your space to explore what's possible when you prioritize you.
[28.4] Through inspiring conversations, experts, insights and real stories, we'll uncover
[36.1] how to navigate transitions, rediscover joy and thrive inside and out.
[42.0] It is time to let go of guilt and fully embrace the life that's waiting for you.
[49.2] This is the drive after 45 podcasts. It's your time to drive for you by you because of you.
[58.4] It is such an honor and a privilege to welcome Wendy Alexander to our podcast today, episode three.
[68.8] Wendy is a career coach for midlife women dedicated to helping professionals especially menopausal
[78.0] women. Break free from unfulfilling careers and step into their career 2.0, the fulfilling
[88.4] life they truly desire. With over 15 years of career coaching, experience and two decades in the
[96.7] corporate world as a hiring manager, Wendy brings that insider knowledge of what truly makes a candidate
[106.4] stay and out.
[108.3] Her journey to this work is nothing short of inspiring.
[111.7] Growing up as a woman of color during apartheid in South Africa,
[117.0] Wendy developed resilience and adaptability early on.
[121.5] Her life experiences from surviving domestic violence
[126.1] and financial hardship as a single mother
[129.7] to rebuilding her life and climbing the corporate ladder
[134.7] have been given her first hand insight into transformation and reinvention.
[141.7] But after years of success in the corporate world, she realized the work was draining her,
[149.7] leading her to forge her own path as a coach.
[154.7] Through one-on-one coaching, group workshops, public speaking, and books,
[160.7] Wendy has impacted thousands of lives, guiding midlife professionals through career transitions,
[167.7] confidence rebuilding, and managing workplace challenges like menopause. She empowers women
[177.7] to take charge of their careers, build their personal brands, and master the job application
[184.2] and interview process. Wendy, welcome to Thrive. After 45 podcasts, I am so excited for our conversation today.
[197.1] Thank you Denise. It's wonderful to be here.
[201.0] Oh my goodness, I can't imagine everything that you went through to get to what you are doing today.
[210.6] you have covered so much not only in your corporate life, but in everything else and helping to now guide women
[223.3] then their search for having a fulfilling job and life overall and how menopause can impact that
[233.4] even as we think things are going along well. Do you find that you have seen
[240.5] such a variance over the years in terms of the people that you support? Has it
[245.9] changed over the years since you've been doing this work? I would say that the
[253.0] conversation is occurring more in the corporate workplace now than it is when I
[259.1] so it's interesting your podcast is five after 45 because my men are
[264.4] or journey and my change and exit out of corporate
[268.8] happened around that time. So menopause hit me at age 45.
[273.8] It was a bit of a shock because in my mind it was supposed to happen in my 15th.
[280.6] It was very exciting what we expect of life and all of these things and then
[287.9] you know it started with the first hot flash probably just around my 45th birthday.
[294.4] And then then the symptoms grew.
[298.8] And apparently I'll do that.
[300.4] I was starting to recognize
[302.1] that I was quite unhappy in corporate.
[304.3] So I've been working in high powered positions
[306.6] for a few years then,
[308.6] mostly hiring for huge transformation projects.
[313.3] Okay.
[314.1] $100, $200, $300 million deliveries.
[317.3] So I was managing these massive budgets
[319.4] and the people that were delivering.
[321.4] And I wasn't happy anymore.
[325.4] For me, I was getting bored with the same repetitive tasks
[330.0] and the same repetitive expectations of CEOs
[334.1] and senior management.
[335.9] And the menopause came along and caused the stress.
[340.3] So, but back then, there wasn't any support,
[344.1] and there certainly wasn't any conversation around the story.
[347.7] Right.
[348.9] Yeah.
[349.7] And so it was one of the things as I started to seek help, started to do my own research.
[355.6] I was also journaling at the time. I've always been a journalist or whenever I'm struggling in
[360.4] life. I've been to process with girls and writing. Since I lived corporate and started to really
[368.1] pivot my work to helping the midlife woman, I have noticed that the conversation is starting to
[377.5] open up in the workplace, but I don't think we at the points where women are fully supported.
[384.5] Right. So I'm still talking to women who are coming to me saying,
[390.4] I need to exit corporate or I'm stressed to the max and I want to make a change in my life.
[395.2] I want to lead these high-powered jobs. All I hate my job completely and I want to go into an
[401.7] industry that I sort of held in my heart as a younger woman, but didn't pursue because like me,
[410.8] they pursued something that was about paying the bills, making the money, having the concern.
[415.5] Right. Right. So I completely have seen changes happening, but it's changed. That's happening
[423.1] very slowly. I wouldn't say we're anywhere near where we need to be in the workplace.
[428.1] Do you see a role for us as a collective, you know, women in the workplace?
[440.9] Do you see a role for us to be able to help move that needle?
[445.1] And how would that even become more of a reality than it is?
[449.3] Yes, I'm seeing the same thing.
[450.8] I'm seeing a lot of information coming in about this is important.
[455.1] and there's a lot more conversation around menopause
[457.9] and perimenopause and the whole changes of life indeed.
[462.1] And I wonder if you can see anything
[465.8] where we could join together somehow
[468.8] or what that could even look like
[470.4] to get the message to actually not just be started
[473.9] but make it a movement that's actually going to make changes.
[477.6] Is there a way?
[478.9] Well, I actually believe that the only ones
[481.9] who can play that role is the way.
[483.4] Right. So we need to take on, and this is some of the things when I'm working with clients.
[490.4] I'm often working with midlife women who want to exit, so they live youth with the strategies
[495.0] on how they do that.
[496.4] Right.
[497.4] But I often, before we get to that discussion of how do we exit the current job, I've
[502.7] tried to have the conversation with them around how can you be impactful in making the
[507.9] change within your company.
[509.3] So instead of leaving the company because you think that there's no opportunity to be
[514.6] supported or for you to thrive, given that your body is now going to all those changes
[521.0] and it's starting to impact you, you know, all you're even willing to be one of the champions.
[527.7] So that's often a love section I have with a lot of women and then they go, well, where
[533.8] do I start?
[534.8] like to all change starts which is in human resource departments. That would be the first place to stop.
[542.8] Per
[545.5] The approach there, the HR departments try to get their conversation up and going because the other
[549.4] thing that I want women to remember is that we are the ones that initiated the support for us
[556.4] when we were going on maternity leave. So why can't we initiate the support for us as we
[562.0] into midlife. Right? It's not all that different. Like companies took a while, it's on board.
[568.3] But now, you know, before women would go on maternity leave, there wouldn't be a lot of opportunity
[574.6] for them to sort of be the present mothers and continue the professional life. Right? But then
[580.7] they had to be started putting in place facilities where some women could go and pump out the
[586.8] the breasts and have milk for the baby. I mean simple things like that. Or do the job
[591.6] sheer programs. We're two women right here across one role and they share it. Right? So
[598.6] he actually come companies did come along. We were the ones that had to advocate for that.
[604.5] It's interesting to me how we seem to stumble when it comes to midlife. We don't speak
[612.5] up a lot about it. Yes. Maybe it's because if we're talking about that maternity piece of life,
[620.4] where we go on the terms here, they are men who usually are sitting at the top of companies. That's
[626.5] a store of case. Yes. Came to the female CEO in the world, but let's face it, most of them are male.
[633.4] Right. And the thing is, they have children too. So often, it's an easier way to bridge that
[638.8] conversation because they know the impact of you know what if my wife is not home or if she doesn't
[644.4] get a job she and she's working five days a week how is there any impact for caring of the kids
[649.1] in the running of the home so they're easy or more open to that conversation at that stage but where
[654.2] we get to be in life most men do not understand menopause yeah and women change and so they often
[666.5] look at us as though we crazy. That word is being applied a lot to women because they haven't
[671.5] understood that it's not about a woman being crazy. It is about the impact of the physical changes,
[678.8] dropping of peace, and what it does to the body. It does induce brain fog. So,
[685.9] woman who like, I was what I would consider a super confident and very organized woman.
[693.5] Right.
[694.5] Suddenly, menopause comes and I am forgetting things.
[698.2] I have to write down everything, make it to do this, and even then I'm forgetting what's
[702.8] on my to-do list.
[703.8] Right.
[704.8] Yeah.
[705.8] But I don't look at the playlist.
[706.8] I don't know what's coming next.
[708.8] And so I remember going through extreme death and a shattering of my confidence.
[715.5] Absolutely.
[716.5] So these are all the things that are happening around this change in our life.
[721.6] And so I believe that women are the ones that have to advocate.
[727.1] We are the ones that have to have that conversation
[731.1] and start the conversations
[733.1] and do the education piece for some of the senior executives
[737.6] which are mostly men.
[740.4] And I found that when I started to speak about it,
[745.4] I actually to be honest found the men
[747.9] far more open to that conversation than even the women.
[751.6] Oh, thank you for that.
[753.1] Just demons.
[755.0] That's great news.
[757.2] Yeah.
[758.0] Yeah.
[758.6] So the men were open and I have a partner who has that conversation,
[765.9] because one of the things he said to me one day,
[768.5] he goes, I'm losing all my mid-life female talent.
[772.8] He runs huge programs at work as well.
[775.6] And he's saying, how women there are super confident
[778.2] better organized. He goes, they're getting to the stage in life and then they just exit.
[785.0] And he goes, I'm trying to figure out how to keep them because they've got the knowledge,
[789.4] they've got the skills, the experience. Yeah. And that was when him and I started having these conversations.
[796.0] And when I shared, because I wrote a book about my journey through men and force and he did the
[800.8] first edits on it. And it was only when he read that very first drop that he said, I have no idea
[807.7] this was going on in your mind. He was living with me.
[813.0] Yeah, exactly. And didn't know that I was struggling as much as I was struggling until he read
[821.5] the doubt that I've gone through, the challenges mentally, physically, emotionally.
[828.1] And he was like, oh my God, this is what's happening to the women. That's why they're walking
[832.9] of my projects. That's why they're leaving. And so he suddenly became very interested in having
[839.0] these conversations and other men have too. The first thing to notice is that they're losing
[845.6] this valuable resources. But also what I noticed was when I started talking also when I
[852.2] get some of my clients to stop having the conversation, they come back and they say oh, the boss was
[858.8] a lot more receptive than I expected. And then when they got a little bit deeper into the conversation,
[866.8] they realized that he was looking for answers to because he was also a midlife men with a midlife wife
[876.5] or a midlife partner going through menopause. He didn't understand a lot of what was going on.
[883.8] And suddenly these women are coming, they talking to HR departments, they initiating processes
[890.1] and conversations to support women. And the guys are suddenly, oh my god, he said, what's going on
[896.1] with her? You know? They could relate to it. And so I think that we do hold that we need to be
[905.4] the ones that are the pioneers of the conversation. Because you can't expect me to
[911.8] And of course, to speak about this topic that fundamentally affects us.
[917.8] Of course, of course. Yeah. I love what you're saying because I'm starting to see a parallel when
[923.6] you shared earlier, you know, when we started to have to talk about, I am child-rearing. This is
[931.8] important. And once they saw that connection, but what you're saying is your experience thus far
[938.9] and with your clients as well as they start the conversation, there is a
[944.7] connection back. There is a reality that the men are seeing, oh my gosh, tell me
[951.1] more because this is making sense to me now that I have, you know, these
[955.7] experiences with people in my life, whether it be friends, whether it be spouses,
[960.3] whether it be other people at work, who knows? But the fact that we tend to as
[966.6] women in particular I find and we might find this too or not. I don't know. But what I do find is that we put a lot of information through our own heads and
[977.2] we stopped things before they even get a chance to be tried. So having those conversations with HR are
[986.1] imperative, not only for you, but for them as well. But you have to be the voice and don't cut yourself off
[994.5] that well they're not going to listen anyway because they don't listen when I
[998.5] talk about this or that we don't know until we have those types of conversations.
[1003.0] Does that make sense to you? Yeah absolutely. Look sometimes I often wondered if
[1009.0] and I do believe that perhaps we carry deep cellular and social programming.
[1016.0] Women have been fighting for so many things so long. Fighting for those. Fighting for
[1023.1] right fighting for equity in opportunity and in pay we've been fighting and so
[1030.0] this is the thing so often we I don't know if sometimes it's the collective
[1034.3] feminine is just tired of I heard it right tired but why do I have to keep
[1041.2] fighting right after Tina but then you know anything worth having in life is
[1047.6] worth fighting for yeah and this is kind of the message I've tried to
[1052.3] in still because I do have the conversation.
[1054.7] Some of the women go, I'm just so tired.
[1058.0] I don't want to take on another course.
[1060.2] I can barely sleep at night.
[1062.1] I'm going through hot flashes and mood swings
[1064.8] and all the stuff.
[1065.6] I've got to deliver on my projects.
[1067.5] I've got to run the hassle.
[1068.7] I've got to make sure the husbands are okay.
[1070.3] I've got to make sure the kids are okay.
[1072.7] I'm tired.
[1073.5] Right?
[1075.1] That's what a lot of women feedback to me, I'm tired.
[1079.0] And I go, yeah, understand that and made it easy important
[1082.2] take your risk and it is important to prioritize what you can and contact on. But the conversation
[1090.4] doesn't move forward unless we take it off. Someone has to do it and why not me, right?
[1098.3] Right. Because otherwise the daughters are daughters following behind us, they'll be still trying
[1103.3] to fight this battle in 23rd. Right. Yes, time. Yeah, for sure. And so for sure. So it's one of the
[1110.7] reasons I have a daughter, I only have one challenge and it's a daughter. And for me, that is
[1116.1] worth trying to sit the groundwork for her. So then when she comes up to that age, you know, it's a
[1123.3] lot easier for her. And this is what I said to a lot of women. If society and changing things
[1130.5] doesn't motivate you, then maybe let your daughter motivate you or a friend's daughter. Or if you
[1138.0] all God mother to a young girl. Like think of the generation coming behind us.
[1143.9] Right. And yes, I understand that we do get tired of fighting because we have been doing it for
[1149.4] so long. But if you want to make the change, you know, that's what's required. That's what's
[1156.1] required. Well, and you know, and I wonder too, if it helps to rephrase it instead of saying
[1166.2] fighting, just saying, how do you do what is best for you by you because of you? And what is best
[1175.1] is making sure that you are looked after. And the primary person to look after you is you. And we are
[1182.5] not attuned to do that naturally or societal wise because just like you said before, we look after,
[1189.8] I just don't do tired. I can't do this. I'm doing everything else where we are missing the mark.
[1195.4] I believe and have always felt this is that we aren't giving back to ourselves because that's that
[1202.3] whole it's being selfish. It's being and we can go on and on about that whole aspect because
[1209.3] when we do that we're short-changing ourselves and when we do that we don't give our best to anybody
[1215.0] else because we haven't given our best to ourselves. So I hear exactly and I can, I'm sure you
[1222.3] can empathize with those who are saying I'm just tired. However, there are other ways to do it
[1228.1] than just always coming with your sword and your, you know, weaponry and go, wow, you know,
[1234.5] just having conversations sometimes also gives people, oh my gosh, I never even knew that
[1240.1] instead of having to go in and do the big fight.
[1243.1] But if we have those conversations more consistently over time,
[1247.6] that too can also build that momentum.
[1250.5] I can see anyway.
[1252.9] Yeah. Well, I think it's about women finding their voice.
[1255.6] And one of the things that I think it becomes super important at midlife.
[1259.9] It's a very sacred time.
[1261.7] I mean, I remember when I entered that time,
[1264.4] it was obviously loads of resentment because I didn't know what was happening to my body.
[1268.9] I was encouraged. Of course.
[1270.1] And it comes so early for me.
[1272.2] Yeah. But as I journaled and started to really write about it,
[1276.1] I started to see the sacredness of the whole journey.
[1279.2] And it was the time more than any other time,
[1282.9] where I actually didn't ignore the question that had been bubbling in me for years,
[1289.5] which was what about me?
[1292.7] Because as I wrote, I started to discover. I was like,
[1297.9] Oh my god, I have these lists of many things that I'm doing life.
[1303.3] And everything and everyone else is a priority on this list.
[1307.6] And I'm not even on the list.
[1309.8] That is one of the things I uncovered.
[1313.1] And that was the big shift for me.
[1315.8] The shift came because I discovered that I wasn't on my own list.
[1321.5] And maybe a list of two that I was on, I certainly wasn't a priority.
[1326.3] Yeah, there you go. And then then I started to really dig into the question like what about me and what the back what I need and what I want and what's going to give me inner peace and tranquility and joy for the next 20 or 30 years of my life.
[1344.3] And once I started to really go and find those answers, that was when the shift came,
[1351.6] that was when the voice rose and started to be started to be started to invite people into conversations.
[1361.9] And I suppose the, I stopped worrying so much about what was going to make them uncomfortable.
[1370.0] and became really powerful in advocating for what I needed for me at that time.
[1377.4] Beautiful.
[1378.6] And it changed. It changed everything.
[1381.4] And I walked away from the high-power job with money.
[1388.0] And I already had my career coaching business part-time
[1393.0] because I've been helping people for 15 years at that stage.
[1396.8] Right, and then I was like I already have something and I already love it. I love this more than the corporate job
[1403.7] What am I doing and so I transitioned into full-time career coaching and business copy writing
[1411.4] And that's what I do now
[1413.4] I love that my terms are work to my school
[1417.4] There's always travel woven into my entire year
[1421.2] So every year I go on a trip
[1423.2] some way because travel is a big passion but I've sometimes been on the back
[1427.6] burner but since I'm like corporate I've traveled to a country or more than one
[1433.0] country once or twice a year you know I have one trip coming up for Europe for
[1439.1] six weeks leaving on the 15th of May I can't wait. Of course!
[1445.2] Yes, I can do that now. Yes so I love what you're saying you created your life
[1452.8] life. Your life isn't creating you anymore. You have created you are in the driver's seat.
[1459.4] Thank you very much. And why not provide that opportunity for every woman worldwide?
[1468.5] Because when we do that, everything will shift in this whole world. I'm curious about
[1474.3] one question that I do have and that is this. How do you guide women, menopausal women
[1482.0] to turn one of life's toughest phases into a trigger
[1489.8] to go and get that dream career.
[1491.8] You've spoken about how people have come to you.
[1495.0] I think I've got a quid, I want to exit.
[1496.8] What's how do you help them go get that dream career
[1501.8] that you have found in your life?
[1506.8] Well, I think one of the first things for us to do
[1509.9] is to dig into our own stories and find the skills,
[1514.9] the talents that can become transferable into another industry
[1518.5] or into your own business.
[1520.3] And when you, a lot of people try and avoid that foundational piece,
[1525.8] but I've seen that when someone digs into the story
[1529.3] and goes and I've got a process on my website,
[1532.4] which is called Mining Your Story.
[1534.5] And it's about mining the bold nuggets of your story.
[1539.5] valuable pieces of your story, your professional story, and your personal story.
[1544.8] And then framing it up and translating it into something that someone else wants,
[1550.9] or that someone else can use. The great people avoid that foundational piece, but what I've seen
[1557.0] is just the act and the process of mining your story for the gold, now that's built,
[1563.4] the confidence that is often lacking in women. Right?
[1567.3] you know if you're beaten down or you've been working hard or we tied all the time, your confidence can
[1573.9] weighing or fluctuate right? But when you go and take the time to dig into your own own story and
[1580.2] that's why I have that particular resource and it's a free resource on the website. That is where you
[1586.4] start. That is where you start. You need to go and dig into your story number one. You need to own
[1592.9] your own story. Yeah, proud of your story. And you need to share the value of your story and your
[1600.1] experiences and the talents and skills you've learned along the way. Because that's what
[1605.3] becomes valuable to someone else. Perfect. I see people wanting to make a jump without doing
[1612.0] this foundational piece, right? And then they're not confident when they're having to negotiate
[1616.8] in an interview, when they're having to sell themselves, they don't sell themselves with confidence
[1622.4] because they don't actually know their own goal,
[1625.9] nuggets, on their own story.
[1628.8] So I always thought every single person who comes to work with me,
[1632.9] that is where I've started.
[1634.1] Perfect.
[1635.8] And what you're doing is making sure they really understand, like you said,
[1641.2] their gifts and talents and taking that information and using it for you by you because of you.
[1647.8] right? Not for the outside purpose but for what's in your heart center? What is it?
[1654.2] Yes, it's all about you and this is the powerful piece. Yes, yeah, what's your heart
[1661.9] work? I love that.
[1664.0] Remember how much you just alluded to? Imagine how much the world could change even with
[1669.5] Oh, did they haunt work?
[1672.4] Okay, just got chills.
[1674.2] Just got chills.
[1676.4] I think, oh, that's it.
[1679.0] Yeah.
[1679.9] You know, we all the, the nurturers in the world,
[1684.2] we are the ones that can multitask and do that type
[1688.8] of multitasking.
[1690.2] It's not to disparage me.
[1692.6] But even my partner recognizes, he says,
[1695.0] I look at you and I look at how you do all the different
[1698.2] things that you do.
[1699.0] me I can only focus on one thing at a time. One. To do it well. You said we're just somehow a woman
[1704.8] knows what's going on with the children, what's going on with the children, what's going on with
[1708.8] the aging parents, what's going on with girlfriends and working her career as well. Right. So
[1716.7] yes. It is just, you know, it's the way we've been gifted but we often don't use those natural
[1721.9] Yes.
[1722.9] The way to use them.
[1725.2] For sure.
[1726.2] For sure.
[1727.2] And when we use those to benefit ourselves than everybody else, what I call in our sphere
[1731.7] of influences, are in fluids positively because everything shifts.
[1737.8] Just like you've shifted.
[1739.4] Yeah.
[1740.4] Yeah.
[1741.4] Yeah.
[1742.4] Love it.
[1743.4] Thank you so much.
[1744.7] Are there any last words that you would love to share with our audience?
[1748.8] in case, I mean, there's a lot we haven't talked about. I know we could go on for hours. But,
[1754.3] is there anything that you would love to make sure that the audience takes away at the end of our
[1760.3] conversation? So the key message I always have for people is, take the next action that you can take
[1772.0] because nothing moves without action. We can sit and we can wish to transition to a new
[1778.6] a new career or we can wish to have our finances improved or we can wish to be healthier whatever it
[1783.8] may be but nothing happens without action. And instead of overwhelming yourself with a list of all
[1791.3] the actions you need to take to create this career change or to improve your finances or whatever it
[1796.7] may be, identify the next best action you can take. Only one do this action then do the next one
[1805.6] and the next and the next. Because when you do that incrementally like that it
[1810.7] compounds the energy compounds your motivation is heightened because you've had a
[1816.5] win. You've done action number one. You've completed it. You can tick it off.
[1820.0] We know. As the brain tunes in and the brain becomes motivated to then take the
[1826.5] next action. So my message to everybody and this is what I've always done in my
[1830.7] life. What is the next best action I can take? What is the next one action I can take? I don't
[1837.3] mean it's 12 or 15 or 20. What's the next one? And sometimes for people wanting to change a career
[1844.7] it is simply maybe go and mind the gold mothers of your story. Then maybe after that is now I need
[1850.1] to identify all my transferable skills. Then maybe the next one after that is now I need to go
[1855.8] dust of that resume that I haven't looked at for 15 years and start reshaping it. And
[1861.5] maybe the one after that is, oh, LinkedIn's there, I think start building connections and
[1865.8] building a network. Maybe I need to go study LinkedIn. Like, only take the one action at a time.
[1872.2] Right. As you get the action completed, the brain registers that as a win,
[1877.8] and it stays motivated to keep going.
[1881.8] Success, exactly.
[1882.8] Because of single action steps taken.
[1888.6] I've seen that through everything I see it with my clients
[1891.5] and it still works for me in my life.
[1894.2] Yeah.
[1895.4] Yeah.
[1896.2] I like what you're saying because it reminds me of that,
[1899.4] you know, I see a lot of it, the staircase
[1902.1] and people don't jump because it's a jump,
[1905.0] it's easier to fall.
[1907.1] But if you just take it one step at a time, right?
[1909.6] If you're gonna jump, but oh, yeah, best bang down you go.
[1912.4] And now you're injured and you can't even climb this there
[1914.6] because you broke your leg.
[1916.0] So the process is just really taken left turn on you.
[1919.8] So I love what you're saying.
[1921.8] And thank you so much for sharing.
[1923.8] I know it'll be in the show notes
[1925.3] to get into your website and grab that mining free gift
[1930.0] that you have there.
[1931.3] And don't shy away from it.
[1933.0] It's a project you can do by yourself.
[1935.8] Nobody else need you don't need to run around and say,
[1938.0] here's my results, I don't want to do it.
[1940.2] Do it for you, by you, because of you.
[1942.6] What have you gained that understanding and that confidence
[1946.7] in all that you already achieved
[1949.4] overcome worked your way through, you know?
[1953.6] Yes, absolutely.
[1955.3] Because we tend to, well, that was years ago.
[1958.0] Yes, it was.
[1959.5] And yet you still remember it because it's had an impact
[1962.0] on you and you need to add that to that list of,
[1964.8] Oh, this is something I do well.
[1967.0] So thank you so much for all.
[1971.0] Oh, checking.
[1973.0] Absolutely.
[1974.8] People can find you through your website.
[1978.7] And where are you from?
[1982.3] I'm from Melbourne, Australia.
[1984.1] And I'm from South Africa, real hub.com.
[1988.1] Perfect.
[1988.7] Yeah, perfect.
[1989.8] We do have those in the show notes,
[1991.7] so people can find you there.
[1994.8] Wonderful to meet you.
[1996.3] Wonderful to share this space with you.
[1998.3] Yes, you do.
[1999.6] Have a beautiful trip in May.
[2003.7] How awesome.
[2006.0] Don't forget to come back.
[2008.3] Yeah, I literally work to travel.
[2012.1] That's what I do at the stage in my life now.
[2014.3] Because I've managed to set up so many different things
[2017.3] where there isn't huge financial burdens anymore.
[2020.3] and I have a great partner.
[2022.6] And so I work to travel.
[2024.7] Yeah, absolutely.
[2025.5] I love my work and I love to travel and I get to do
[2028.1] but one because of the other.
[2029.7] So.
[2030.5] Absolutely.
[2031.5] Perfect.
[2032.9] Wonderful.
[2034.8] Thank you so much, wishing you all the best.
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[2060.5] You don't wanna miss any of these incredible conversations
[2064.0] that I get to share with you the audience.
[2067.8] Take care of yourselves and we will see you
[2069.7] on the next episode.
[2071.3] Bye everyone.
[2073.0] Bye.